The Rainbow

topic posted Sat, May 27, 2006 - 3:49 PM by  lori
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I finally found a copy of The Rainbow in a used bookstore. I finished reading it this morning. What an amazing, weird, powerful, disturbing book. I can't believe it was written almost 100 years ago. I don't really like his kind of stream-of-consciousness method of depicting the internal process of the main characters but I'm not sure why I dislike it. While reading it felt tedious, but maybe it was just too raw. And the anger, the love-hate power struggles between the couples; I can't believe this was written so long ago, it feels so edgy...what's at the edge of writing today? We can write about sex openly but who describes the subconscious dynamics, the darkness of love? Lawrence was really exploring new territory both in his style of writing and his subject matter. Who is doing that now? What writers are currently pushing the edges not only of literature but of our understanding of ourselves?
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  • JM
    JM
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    Re: The Rainbow

    Mon, May 29, 2006 - 1:44 AM
    Umm.... good question.
    I like Lynn Sloan.
    And I guess... Jaimey Gordon and... maybe Pam Houston.
    Dunno why I only thought of women.
    There was a male writer I read recently... something about "We don't live here anymore." Was made into a film. 70s, but kind of what you describe in terms of love-hate couple stuff... though not very edgy-feeling.
  • Re: The Rainbow

    Mon, May 29, 2006 - 12:39 PM
    "what's at the edge of writing today? We can write about sex openly but who describes the subconscious dynamics, the darkness of love? Lawrence was really exploring new territory both in his style of writing and his subject matter. Who is doing that now? What writers are currently pushing the edges not only of literature but of our understanding of ourselves?"

    Reading this paragraph, I immediately thought of two French authors, Annie Ernaux and Marie Darrieussecq; very different in style and tone from each other and from Lawrence, both women are ruthless and courageous in their examination of those hidden, rough-edged, bleeding places that lie along the boundaries of even the most loving and harmonious relationships.

    If you enjoy reading plays, I recommend the work of young Irish playwright, Marina Carr. Her mature work (especially 'The Mai' and the great, Medea-inspired, 'By the Bog of Cats') is lyrical and poetic, informed by Irish folklore and Greek myth (with much of the tragic power of the latter), yet deals almost exclusively with complex contemporary relationships; the fluctuations of love and hate, passion and disinterest, intimacy and rejection between not just men and women, but also among the members of extended families and networks of long-time friends. Beautiful, engrossing drama that's almost as effective on the page as it is in the theater.
    • Re: The Rainbow

      Mon, May 29, 2006 - 6:27 PM
      For strong, edgy, cutting writing about sex and sexfual writing, Pat/Patrick Califia comes to my mind, especially Macho Sluts. Califia, among all the writers I can think of, combines genuine transgressiveness with style that's sharp, clean and lyrical at once. Occasionally I think Califia spells out the 'subconscious dynamics, the darkness of love' a bit too clearly and didactically, however.
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    Mon, May 29, 2006 - 6:47 PM
    Wow. These are all exciting possibilities. I wasn't really thinking of edgy in the sense of exploring the boundaries of violence and sexuality that are permissable in current society. (Or at least permissable to publish). I was thinking more along the lines of... the edge of our understanding? Or of what has been articulated in our written remembrance? Does this make any sense? I never "studied" lit, do any of you have a sense that in literature there is an "edge of consciousness"? That we are, collectively evolving, or expressing our collective evolution through literature?

    When I read Hemingway, Woolf, Lawrence, Faulkner, Kerouac, etc. I really sense a kind of grapling after something: the ever illusive awareness. But I don't see that so much in the current generation of writers, are they just reluctant to grapple with the "big" issues? Or have I just missed out?
    • JM
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      Tue, May 30, 2006 - 1:29 AM
      I think writers working today - of whatever generation - still deal with "big issues."
      I just think there's more of a tendency toward reluctance to use a voice that pretends to speak as universally (with major exceptions - Russell Banks, for example...).

      But I guess that depends on who you're calling the "current generation of writers."
      That'd be an interesting thread to start...
      • JM
        JM
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        Re: The Rainbow

        Tue, May 30, 2006 - 1:32 AM
        Oh, but yeah, I see what you mean.
        Writers getting the most exposure today are less likely to push toward the edge of our understanding by playing with form than the writers you mention did...
        • Re: The Rainbow

          Tue, May 30, 2006 - 11:14 PM
          Why don't they play with form? Are the writers who do play with form still getting published? I don't think it's ever been easy for writers to get published when they were challenging those boundaries.
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            Tue, May 30, 2006 - 11:47 PM
            There are hundreds of contemporary writers, working in every language, who play with form, who challenge traditional narrative and take literature to new and strange places-this is a fantastic age for fine literature if you're willing to do a little searching. You're not going to find any of these writers at your local chain bookstore or reviewed in the pages of The New York Times. They probably won't be well-represented on the shelves of your local library either. But they do exist, they do get published, and they are worth searching out.

            A great place to start is here: www.centerforbookculture.org/dal...html The Dalkey Archive Press is named after Flann O'Brien's novel and publishes the best in challenging world literature from the last 100 years. They are the publishers of Harry Mathews (the only American member of OULIPO, the experimental literature group founded by Georges Perec), Carole Maso, David Markson, Ann Quin and many others. Green Integer is another excellent press committed to reissuing the best of the old and publishing the most interesting of the new experimental and innovative writers: www.greeninteger.com/

            These two small presses are just the tip of the iceberg-there's a lot to read out there and a remarkable amount of it is fresh, exciting and good. I hope you soon find some contemporary authors who please and challenge you as much as Lawrence did.
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        Tue, May 30, 2006 - 11:12 PM
        Well, I'm not sure how to describe them...modern, postmodern, etc. But I am thinking of writers who are currently contributing to literature. And what are the "big issues"? Gender, morality, sexual orientation, environment, capitalism vs. socialism, gift economies, just brainstorming...

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