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Alright, I am curious if anyone here has actually completed this book. I have been trying to finish the book for almost ten years now. No joke. I really want to complete it. I've gotten about halfway through it. I always tendto stop somewhere there and get sidetracked. A big problem with this book is that there is no way for me to put it down for awhile and then pick it up later, starting where I left off. Someone I know, who taught Pynchon, says that I got further with that book than he ever did. He recommended to just read The Crying Lot. It's a goal, though. I've got to finish this book....one day.
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Re: Gravity's Rainbow
Fri, January 7, 2005 - 1:30 PMI only got as far as the banana breakfast. Thats like, what, the first few pages? ;)
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Re: Gravity's Rainbow
Fri, January 7, 2005 - 2:08 PMGravity's Rainbow is my favorite American novel by far. In my not_so_humble opinion, nothing I've read comes close to the brilliance of that book. The only thing negative I can say about GR is that I get a bit depressed each time read it because I know I'll never write anything that good.
As much as I enjoy it though, I guess it's not for everyone. We all have our different standards of enjoyment.
Have you read V.? You might want to start there. It's more substantial than Lot 49, but a bit more accessable than GR. It also makes a nice precursor by laying out some of the themes that run through GR. There are even a few characters who pop up there first.
r.m.
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Sat, January 8, 2005 - 8:17 PMA laudable and worthwhile goal!
If you haven't read any Pynchon before, then that's the place to start. Begin with Lot 49 and then go on to V., as another member recommended. GR will be less disorienting once you have some Pynchon under your belt.
If you're already familiar with Pynchon's mode, then you might want to try some things that helped me get through James Joyce's Ulysses -- (1) Read some books or articles ABOUT the book first; (2) Find a summary or commentary that you can read along WITH the book (or, better yet, an annotated version, if one exists -- with Ulysses there were plenty to choose from); and (3) Rent, borrow or buy a book on tape, even if it is abridged, and read along as you listen.
But, above all, expect to read it in fairly large chunks. It is not a work to be nibbled at a dozen pages at a time before bed each night!
Hopefully this helps. Enjoy!
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Sun, January 9, 2005 - 6:01 AM
I've ground to a halt at page 523. I've been working on it since 2001, and I promise myself I'll get to the end of it. -
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Mon, January 10, 2005 - 2:47 PMThanks to everyone for the reading tips. I'll have to get a copy of V. and start there. I don't know if I can get myself to read a copy of literary notes. I'm not sure why, but that has always felt tacky to me. Like those kids in high school who always read the cliff notes instead of the book, or the cliff notes because they could not understand the book. Maybe I need to get over my personal prejudices, there. It will be nice to assign myself some new fiction to read, at any rate. All I have read for a few years, now, is theory.
One person told me that G.R. was written in a style that is supposed to simulate a rocket launch - chaotic at first, then more and more coherent, the devolving into chaos again before the crash. That does seem to make sense. -
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Mon, January 10, 2005 - 4:26 PMThere is absolutely no shame in consulting a reference -- even Cliffs Notes -- to help you understand and appreciate a text, especially a text like Gravity's Rainbow that is very f---ing HARD!
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Mon, January 10, 2005 - 5:15 PMI adore Pynchon-he's probably my favorite contemporary American author and 'V.' may just be my desert island book.
I discovered him fairly late in my reading career (my focus has always been on European literature and 20th century American fiction is an area that I'm both weak in and that's generally of little interest to me). I was hesitant to start his novels because I'd heard that they were so abstruse, opaque and difficult they nearly made 'Finnegan's Wake' seem a walk in the park. Imagine my surprise when I found that what they really are is just ripping good yarns told by a gleefully playful master storyteller! I found that it's really helpful to just accept the novels without preconceptions, not worry too much about the narrative structure or who's saying what when (it generally all comes clear eventually), and enjoy the wild ride!
If you do want to use a guide while reading, I've found this website very helpful as I continue my explorations of the Pynchonian universe: www.hyperarts.com/pynchon/index.html The site includes searchable web guides for V., Gravity's Rainbow, and Mason & Dixon, "an advice for newbies page": www.hyperarts.com/pynchon/newbies.html There's even a forum where you can post comments or queries about the novels. A very useful and well-constructed site. -
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Re: Gravity's Rainbow
Mon, January 10, 2005 - 10:57 PMI've read Finnegans Wake and Gravity's Rainbow (and V, and Crying of Lot 49), and FW was much harder than GR. V is a fun read, too. -
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Mon, January 10, 2005 - 11:23 PMFW is probably the most challenging work in the language.
I think it exists right on the cusp between highly experimental and intentionally incoherent -- it would be difficult to take more liberties with the language without simply typing gibberish.
I have yet to attempt it. and I'm in a Ph.D. program in English literature, so hats off to you for getting through it. One of these days I'll take the plunge.
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Mon, January 10, 2005 - 11:44 PM"I've read Finnegans Wake and Gravity's Rainbow (and V, and Crying of Lot 49), and FW was much harder than GR. "
Yes, I've also read 'Finnegan's Wake' and I'd definitely agree with this statement. Unlike most of the other well-known works notorious almost as much for readers inability to finish them as for their literary merit (Mann's 'The Magic Mountain and 'Doctor Faustus', Joyce's other massive work 'Ulysses', Pound's 'Cantos', the Pynchon books currently under discussion, etc.) 'Finnegan's Wake' really IS that difficult and for me reading it was less a pleasure than a duty.
That being said, some people genuinely just adore it. I have a friend who can quote entire chapters from it from memory at will. When he does this I'm never sure whether to be impressed or terrified! ;-p -
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Wed, January 12, 2005 - 11:04 AMI have to agree: Finnegan's Wake makes GR look like Dr. Suess. I love Ulysses, Portrait, and Dubliners, but FW is a whole other ball game. I've read and reread both Ulysses and GR many times (GR many, many times), but once was enough with FW. The work to fun ratio was just too high.
r.m.
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Thu, March 3, 2005 - 7:06 AMOh yes,
Thomas Mann's "The Magic Mountain" is right up there with the pantheon of great works of literature. This was a great work for me. The tales of Hans Castorp in the sanitarium and the eminent Septembrini.
Gilton
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I know it's years later but what the heck, I'm reading this thing too...
Thu, July 19, 2007 - 12:58 AMI totally agree to what you said "ripping good yarns;" I'm halfway through the book and am just really enjoying the prose, I just love this guy's writing style and am constantly amazed at how creative he is at every turn of the plot! I'm sure I'm not getting every little detail or reference, but then who would with a work of this scope? I know I'll finish it 'cause it's just so enjoyable.
Also, the mood of the book is tinged with that familiar paranoia that people with intuitive powers become accustomed to dealing with from time to time. Just a little too much on the radar.
Plus the text was connected to this case recently where I kind of came "unstuck" from reality for a bit - I was reading the part about the giant adenoid one night, just kind of backtracking to make sure I remembered some of the beginning parts, and the next day I was sitting in a government office right next to the kind of person, who, well, was just uncomfortable being silent - I noticed her right away, she kinda stuck out in my perception. Then after her friends left, she of course got out her cell phone and proceeded to fill her world with sound and connection. That's when I heard her (she was sitting right next to me) arrange an appointment for a family member who needed her ADENOIDS removed! The whole scene at that point was just so bizarre, me and her sitting there, the other people, just poor folk like myself waiting for their number to get called, I got the weirdest Matrixy-like feeling like the whole room and everyone in it was just a scene in my consciousness, nothing more. I looked up quickly and the others noticed, I guess I kinda spooked the herd.
What was cool was that Pynchon's stream-of-consciousness prose led me to this kind of "Waking Life" (ala Richard Linklater) moment.
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Mon, January 10, 2005 - 11:38 PMah, no, never. i didnt even start it. my mother, i think, read "v." i know she tried to, & since she had a mess of degrees, probably finished it.
i have a mess of degrees, albeit a smaller mess, & am way more agitated-depressed as well as dyslexic in certain ways, so i never had a chance.
i do, however, want to say how much i like yr shoes. do you know who made them??
i am not, sadly, a foot fetishist. just a female person who owns at least 60 pairs of platforms, probably 80 by now. -
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Mon, January 10, 2005 - 11:47 PMMaybe all of us who would like to read GV but haven't made it so far should form some sort of book club. We could do all the recommended training techniques discussed here and then go for the kill!!! I've known one person who did manage to tackle GV via a reading group.
60 shoes! My word! I have quite a few completely unnecessary pairs of shoes for my feet, but I think my collection hoovers around 10 or maybe 15. I got this pair at a store called "Restyle" in LA. I'll have to check the label to see who made them. Unfortunately, I've left them at a friend's house for the moment. -
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Tue, January 11, 2005 - 7:31 PMI already have a book club that was originally formed to tackle the fact that I was tackling GR. We started with V. and it has been impossible to get the members to go near GR. Even after ready Ulysses for Bloomsday. We will be taking on Mason and Dixon for our April/May selection. If you are up for the challenge throw your hat in the ring and get it on with the Belligerati Reading Club. Sorry no tribe, but you can look at www.belligerati.com. Check out the books list to see what we have read and the next books through May. And yes, that website is not complete. -
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Tue, January 11, 2005 - 10:36 PMThat reading list is fantastic! It's got a few of my old favorites and a number of books I've wanted to read for ages, but, for whatever reason I have not. *And* you are in SF and so are accessable to me. Yes, I think I would like to join. I will send in my application. Thanks for the tip. -
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Wed, January 12, 2005 - 12:33 PMAnd just think, you will be one more voice in a small few that will try and try again to convince the other members (around 30 right now) to read GR. You will be surprised at the fluency in expletives that one accumulates in a book clun.
Although we are mostly in SF, the Belligerati Reading Club is nationwide. We have members in 3 other states besides CA. It is mostly because they move away. -
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Wed, January 12, 2005 - 3:07 PM<<We have members in 3 other states besides CA. It is mostly because they move away.>>
Hmmm. Reading GR, book club members constantly moving away to whole other states. Coincidence? ;-) -
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Wed, January 12, 2005 - 3:33 PMYou would think. One member actually joined as a resident of another state. The first to move, left to pursue their doctorate or something. It is bummer too, becuase he was our resident Melville scholar. Believe it or not The Confidence Man is on par with GR, and Ulysses for utterly confounding the reader. Our last to move just did it for a girl. So we actually have pretty high retention for the looming threat of a GR reading. It has moved people to threats of violence however.
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He shoots, he scores!
Mon, February 28, 2005 - 2:56 PM
I'm here to say that I finished Gravity's Rainbow last night. Prose wise, it was like being dragging your body along a road filled with hot tar, broken glass and finding tiny but wonderful oases in odd places that would make you feel like the whole thing was worth it, including the pain of your life up until the point you'd gotten to that beautiful line/paragraph/analogy. Until you got to the next page, and felt stuck and in pain again.
Not quite four years later.
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Tue, March 1, 2005 - 1:44 PMCongratulations. You are now one of like thirty who have succeeded. I am encouraged. Perhaps, after my book club finishes Mason and Dixon in April/May, I will come away truly motivated to move GR to the top of the stack over the half finished Ulysses. The Belligerati Reading Club will hoist a pint in honor of your struggles at our next meeting. -
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Wed, March 2, 2005 - 11:54 AMI finished GR in college and have always been a Pynchon afficionado.
I also read "V" and "The Crying of Lot 49". I couldn't read "Vineland" and feel bad about it. I purchased "Lewis and Clark" and never got to it. One other book I was heavily influenced by was William Gaddis' "The Recognitions" which I think is one of the great classics of our time. His other works eludes me though.
By the way: Roger Mexico is a Pynchon character.
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Wed, March 2, 2005 - 12:30 PMI think you are thinking of "Mason and Dixon". If you would lik an excuse to read it, or a challenge, my book club will be tackling it over April and May. The only prerequisite for membership is that you can lift a beer larger than your head. You could also aid me in getting Recognitions on the board. They screamed like little girls when I tried to explain JR to them. I didn't understand their fear. So what if it is written mostly in unattributed dialogue.
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Thu, March 3, 2005 - 7:00 AMYou are right: it is Mason and Dixon.
I had the unimaginable happen to me: I lost my entire library-- over forty years of collecting. I salvaged about thirty books, but the other stuff was lost. My ex-wife gave them away. I had stuff no longer in print: novels of Charles Wright, Robert Pharr, poetry of Bob Kaufmann, novels of L.M.Z. LeClezio, stuff I discovered and collected over the years.
It was like a stake driven in my heart. My books were my most cherished possession.
Gilton
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Thu, March 3, 2005 - 4:28 PMA small homage to my literary hero.
r.m.
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Sat, September 9, 2006 - 7:54 PMthe poems are cute. especially the limericks.
There once was a rocket called the V2
to pilot which you did not need to
you just press a button and it would leave nuttin'
but stiffs and big holes and debris too.
And the perverse sex scenes are amazing.
P