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So I finally read The Adventures of Tom Sawyer, and then Huckleberry Finn, and I wasn't bowled over by them. I've always heard of Mark Twain as being a cultural icon, who wrote incredible literature.
I think the best thing I can say about these books is that they're quaint. I don't think of them as timeless classics so much as (unintentional) period pieces that allow a glimpse of an earlier time.
I was expecting too much, perhaps. I'm wondering if my experience is atypical or not?
I think the best thing I can say about these books is that they're quaint. I don't think of them as timeless classics so much as (unintentional) period pieces that allow a glimpse of an earlier time.
I was expecting too much, perhaps. I'm wondering if my experience is atypical or not?
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Re: Mark Twain
Tue, December 6, 2005 - 5:44 PMHmm. Did you read Tom Sawyer first? That could change your experience of Huckleberry Finn. The first book is fun, the second is important. -
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Tue, December 6, 2005 - 6:55 PMThere is also the fact that it's really hard not to judge a work for having been written in a different time. You said that you found these books to be "quiant." Generally speaking, "quiant" simply describes something that has already been digested by our society. But, you see, it hadn't been "digested" yet by the society of Twain's time. Yes, he wrote to his contemporaries; he had no reason not to. Today, there is little any of us could write that would not equally reflect the time of our writing, as well.
As with most "older" works, I think Mark Twain's writing has to be understood from the point-of-view of the society in which the author lived. From that viewpoint, his stuff really is pretty exceptional. -
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Tue, December 6, 2005 - 11:00 PM"Tom Sawyer" was almost like a kid's book, but I loved "Huckleberry Finn". There were some really dark undercurrents running through it.
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Re: Mark Twain
Thu, December 8, 2005 - 11:03 AMHmm...good points, all.
But, for instance, I would never call Jane Eyre or Hamlet quaint even though they are set in a specific period. Both of those two works have so much about them that speaks to basic human wants, needs, and struggles that they are timeless and speak to people on many levels.
I found far less of that in these works by Mr. Twain. Perhaps I didn't dig deep enough, and I must say that certain passages are incredible. But the works as a whole were no where near as compelling, immediate, or relevant as most "great classics" usually are.
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T.
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Re: Mark Twain
Thu, January 12, 2006 - 1:56 PMI know what you mean.
It's like reading Alcott. I love Little Women and even books like An Old Fashioned Girl but the books are very much tied to the time-period. Twain is fantastic. Have you ever read A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court? The short story The War Prayer is absolutely phenomenal. -
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Re: Mark Twain
Sun, February 5, 2006 - 6:46 PM
There are at least a couple of things that I think are "great" about Huckleberry Finn.
1) Mark Twain captured flawlessly the differences and similarities of a great number of accents and 'voices'. It's pretty rare, in my experience, to see that level of care.
2) That moment when Huck decides that he will risk going to hell for freeing Jim, because he can't do otherwise. I think that is one of the clearest and most powerful truly moral moments in literature.
3) The humor/humour!! The chapter on why a Frenchman speaks French, and the one about whether Solomon was wise are fantastic. (And the latter, besides being funny, has a truly poignant feeling to it.)
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Mon, February 6, 2006 - 3:39 PMTwain made those days come alive to me. I read them as a young teenager, which was before we had a PC on every desk, email, iPods, mobile phones etc. If I was to read him today for the first time, I might also consider him quaint, but only because I have modern experiences which colour my impressions. I had many adventures in the bush as a boy and was able to relate to some degree. If I had grown up in a concrete jungle and hadn't watched Survivor reality TV, I might find it harder to comprehend.
On the same basis you would find Shakespeare quaint and even more so Science Fiction of the 50's when they wrote about what things were going to be like today.
On the same basis William Gibson will be considered quaint in 50 years time.
Maybe you read too much into the books. Read them as a boys adventure story and don't gloss over the imagery. I think you have missed something. Of course maybe you have a different perspective of adventure. Twain lived as he wrote and had great adventures. Some of the them down here in New Zealand.
I probably won't read Twain again, but I will remember that I enjoyed his books and the adventures. -
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Thu, February 16, 2006 - 5:05 AMSmall addition on Twain - i like that he wrote from a childs perspective - Ageed re. moment where what is arguably Huck's 2nd conscience steps in - and he would rather go to hell then give Jim up. He is a little renegade - living outside the 'normal' structures of life on the 'frontier' - I love that the child is free to make his decisions empirically - thus allowing this 2nd conscience to make above decision. (1st conscience being the one that wrote the letter to the aunt in the 1st place).
Tom Sawyer not so great - more of kids book that garnered interest in the 2nd book i think.
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Mon, February 27, 2006 - 8:33 AMClearly, this is just an issue of personal taste. We don't all like the same stuff. For instance, I'm not a James Joyce, Virginia Woolf, or William Faulkner fan. I know they're geniuses, etc., etc., but I just don't like free, indirect discourse stuff. I'd read Twain over those folks anytime.
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Re: Mark Twain
Mon, February 27, 2006 - 3:34 PMWriting style is a key issue. I'm reading The Colorado Kid by Stephen King, which btw the only way I could get a copy was as an eBook. It reads (and probably deliberately so) like a book that was written 50 or more years ago. Personally I don't like it even though I am a big Stephen King fan. I suspect that it was written as a literary exercise in story telling.
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Re: Mark Twain
Mon, February 27, 2006 - 3:35 PMWriting style is a key issue. I'm reading The Colorado Kid by Stephen King, which btw the only way I could get a copy was as an eBook. It reads (and probably deliberately so) like a book that was written 50 or more years ago. Personally I don't like it even though I am a big Stephen King fan. I suspect that it was written as a literary exercise in story telling.
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Re: Mark Twain
Mon, February 27, 2006 - 3:35 PMWriting style is a key issue. I'm reading The Colorado Kid by Stephen King, which btw the only way I could get a copy was as an eBook. It reads (and probably deliberately so) like a book that was written 50 or more years ago. Personally I don't like it even though I am a big Stephen King fan. I suspect that it was written as a literary exercise in story telling.
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Tue, March 21, 2006 - 1:11 AMok, here's the thing -- wait ten years and read Huckleberry again -- You'll read a new book - The newness of the read will measure your growth over the past ten years. That's a classic. -
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Sun, March 26, 2006 - 6:29 PMA key point to remember about Twain, which I haven't seen written here, is that he is a satirist; in fact, he is one of the most effective American satirists in our brief cultural history. Huck Finn is more than just an adventure tale; it is a social commentary of the time that is still valid in some ways today. Twain not only develops the theme of the higher conscience (which someone mentioned in another post on this thread), but also expounds on the concepts of loyalty, prejudice, friendship, responsibility, innocence, and individuality. He does a thorough job of satirizing racism and Southern Christian cultural mores in the time period. Though this book can become a bit episodic, remember also that it was originally published as a serial in a magazine, much like Dickens' A Tale of Two Cities.
If you are interested in more direct satire by Twain, check out Letters from the Earth; it is a satire on religion- and humanity.
I have taught Huck Finn several times, and I have heard little complaint from readers once they begin to look for the social commentary and satire. Some are offended, others laugh out loud, but most see the sparkle of genius in its pages. -
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Mon, March 27, 2006 - 4:59 PMGood points, many people only read the 'story' and not what is written inbetween the lines. Kafka's The Trial is another classic imho where people who don't see past the story might wonder why he bothered and Metamorphosis might just be the font of ideas for movies like The Fly.
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