http://literacynerds.tribe.net/thread/0d4726d6-81b9-42ed-abd3-3b1579e1100e?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://literacynerds.tribe.net/thread/0d4726d6-81b9-42ed-abd3-3b1579e1100e#f4870aa7-8922-4043-8a7a-3d6e9c4df5b2 Hoo boy .. been there, done that *sigh* Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:14:56 GMT http://literacynerds.tribe.net/thread/0d4726d6-81b9-42ed-abd3-3b1579e1100e#f4870aa7-8922-4043-8a7a-3d6e9c4df5b2 Palma 2008-04-26T22:14:56Z http://literacynerds.tribe.net/thread/0d4726d6-81b9-42ed-abd3-3b1579e1100e#9ace4a8e-0d4e-4fa1-88c9-cf9cf6c1a775 Context: Jery is in love with Bätely, and has been courting her for a year. She is all cold-shoulder, and after he again tries to win her heart as they banter with each other, leaves the conversation, and goes on her way back to her father's farm. Jery then says: "Gehe, verschmähe die Treue. Die Reue kommt nach!" So the reading is simply one of him being frustrated, his faithful and unrelenting pursuit of her having been scorned once again, and he prophesies that she will regret not having warmed to him (or to any other suitor, apparently; propheticallly, I feel, the next scene is Jery talking with an old acquaintance of his, who is now a dashing soldier, and something of a womanizer. I haven't read beyond that, but I can sort of feel an inevitable development to the story ;) But I'm afraid that context - as usual - makes the quote that much less interesting ;) Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:07:33 GMT http://literacynerds.tribe.net/thread/0d4726d6-81b9-42ed-abd3-3b1579e1100e#9ace4a8e-0d4e-4fa1-88c9-cf9cf6c1a775 _michael_ 2008-04-21T10:07:33Z http://literacynerds.tribe.net/thread/0d4726d6-81b9-42ed-abd3-3b1579e1100e#46a3eff7-8243-4f50-a089-faf1cf588c9c <The thing is, how do you read it? As an enticement, or a warning?> Or an inevitability? What is the context? Or is lack of context part of the conundrum? Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:09:07 GMT http://literacynerds.tribe.net/thread/0d4726d6-81b9-42ed-abd3-3b1579e1100e#46a3eff7-8243-4f50-a089-faf1cf588c9c Palma 2008-04-18T12:09:07Z http://literacynerds.tribe.net/thread/0d4726d6-81b9-42ed-abd3-3b1579e1100e#a58310d5-be76-4c61-bb85-64ec45145c8e The thing is, how do you read it? As an enticement, or a warning? Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:44:29 GMT http://literacynerds.tribe.net/thread/0d4726d6-81b9-42ed-abd3-3b1579e1100e#a58310d5-be76-4c61-bb85-64ec45145c8e JM 2008-04-16T07:44:29Z http://literacynerds.tribe.net/thread/0d4726d6-81b9-42ed-abd3-3b1579e1100e#91ab9177-aad8-4f82-ae82-7a564f4d0217 "Mais grandmère, tu ne parles *que* Français?!", said by a 7 year old girl of my acquaintance, who was born in Vienna, and spent several years in Moscow, of French mother, and is thus quite perfectly trilingual. OK, here goes: "Go, (despise/ignore/turn your nose at) faithfulness, the regrets will follow." (or, in the modified version, "the new woman/girl will follow") (really, Grandmother, you *only* speak French?!) Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:26:05 GMT http://literacynerds.tribe.net/thread/0d4726d6-81b9-42ed-abd3-3b1579e1100e#91ab9177-aad8-4f82-ae82-7a564f4d0217 _michael_ 2008-04-15T13:26:05Z http://literacynerds.tribe.net/thread/0d4726d6-81b9-42ed-abd3-3b1579e1100e#1fbd27b9-844b-4953-9ff8-d0894bc93eda No translations? You guys are CRUEL! Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:22:48 GMT http://literacynerds.tribe.net/thread/0d4726d6-81b9-42ed-abd3-3b1579e1100e#1fbd27b9-844b-4953-9ff8-d0894bc93eda Palma 2008-04-15T12:22:48Z http://literacynerds.tribe.net/thread/0d4726d6-81b9-42ed-abd3-3b1579e1100e#d859c6c6-9e92-4c89-a782-6534a6697c6a Wow. Thanks! The funny thing was that when I googled it, I only came up with: Gehe, Verschmahe die treue Die *Neue* kommt nach. ... which is also true... :) Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:18:18 GMT http://literacynerds.tribe.net/thread/0d4726d6-81b9-42ed-abd3-3b1579e1100e#d859c6c6-9e92-4c89-a782-6534a6697c6a JM 2008-04-14T16:18:18Z http://literacynerds.tribe.net/thread/0d4726d6-81b9-42ed-abd3-3b1579e1100e#507c60f9-6bd5-48cb-b8f9-a5448f65fe3f DUDE, that is so goth. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:59:32 GMT http://literacynerds.tribe.net/thread/0d4726d6-81b9-42ed-abd3-3b1579e1100e#507c60f9-6bd5-48cb-b8f9-a5448f65fe3f Mad 2008-04-10T22:59:32Z http://literacynerds.tribe.net/thread/0d4726d6-81b9-42ed-abd3-3b1579e1100e#e6ab1581-ec5d-4fb7-81d1-e6e357b3c4b5 Google.de is my cheat-sheet: It's from Goethe's "Jery und Bätely", and the quote (in gothic! ;) can be found here: http://books.google.ch/books?id=W2NdayZ1ODMC&pg=PA10&lpg=PA10&dq=Gehe,+Verschm%C3%A4he+die+Treue+Die+Reue+kommt+nach&source=web&ots=qPQdsdvQ9x&sig=p809SKBZBMI9_oZB534nxTlsM7c&hl=de Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:01:34 GMT http://literacynerds.tribe.net/thread/0d4726d6-81b9-42ed-abd3-3b1579e1100e#e6ab1581-ec5d-4fb7-81d1-e6e357b3c4b5 _michael_ 2008-04-10T14:01:34Z http://literacynerds.tribe.net/thread/0d4726d6-81b9-42ed-abd3-3b1579e1100e#ac1d64e1-421a-454c-9b8b-45c14074cb0f I don't even know how to begin looking for this... Once upon a time, I was reading the paperback Folio French translation of "Diary of a Seducer," and fell in love with the little German poem used as an epigram: Gehe, Verschmahe die treue Die Reue kommt nach. But I can't remember who actually wrote the epigram, or if it's even noted. I don't have the book anymore, and amazon.fr doesn't have that nice "Look Inside!" function. Is this line familiar to anyone? Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:49:25 GMT http://literacynerds.tribe.net/thread/0d4726d6-81b9-42ed-abd3-3b1579e1100e#ac1d64e1-421a-454c-9b8b-45c14074cb0f JM 2008-04-10T10:49:25Z